Sakukawa Kanga (1782–1838) had studied pugilism and staff (bo) fighting in China (according to one legend, under the guidance of Kosokun, originator of kusanku kata). In 1806 he started teaching a fighting art in the city of Shuri that he called "Tudi Sakukawa," which meant "Sakukawa of China Hand." This was the first known recorded reference to the art of "Tudi," written as 唐手. Around the 1820s Sakukawa's most significant student Matsumura Sōkon (1809–1899) taught a synthesis of te (Shuri-te and Tomari-te) and Shaolin (Chinese 少林) styles. Matsumura's style would later become the Shōrin-ryū style.Matsumura taught his art to Itosu Ankō (1831–1915) among others. Itosu adapted two forms he had learned from Matsumara. These are kusanku and chiang nan. He created the ping'an forms ("heian" or "pinan" in Japanese) which are simplified kata for beginning students.

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VeePee kirjoitti: Edit: Onko tosiaan niin, että McCarthy treenasi Kinjon kanssa pelkästään karatea kahdenkymmenenviiden vuoden ajan? Tarkoitan tällä nyt lähinnä sitä, että missä vaiheessa hän on siellä Kiinassa ehtinyt käydä ja pyöriä muiden okinawalaisten opettajien kanssa? Mä veikkaan, että McCarthy ei ole treenannut Kinjon kanssa montaakaan vuotta. Ehkä ainoastaan "tarpeeksi", jotta pystyy tulkitsemaan ja tutkimaan itse omin päin.

No tämä onkin hyvä kysymys. Itse hän ei mielestäni mainitse varsinaisiksi opettajikseen kuin Kinjon ja Richard Kimin

By 1987 I had married a Japanese girl [Yuriko], settled in Fujisawa [Kanagawa Prefecture] and became a direct karate & kobudo [Yamane Ryu] student of Kinjo Hiroshi [Shuri-te]. Over the years, and through his recommendation, the Dai Nippon Butokukai bestowed upon me my Renshi 6th Dan [1988] and my Kyoshi 7th Dan [1994]. In 2005 Grandmaster Kinjo promoted me to Hanshi 8th Dan. In Japan I also studied Koryu [Muso Shinden Eishin Ryu] and ZNKR-style Iaido, under Master Izawa Takehiko, and reached sandan in 1991 [under the ZNKR: Zen Nippon Kendo Renmei] before switching over to Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu under Sugino Yoshio at the honbu dojo in Kawasaki.

Lasse Candé kirjoitti: Sanottakoon vielä että uskon tekstin olevan kymmenen vuotta vanha. Kenties hieman enemmän. Luin sen itse silloin tietyllä tavalla ja en kokenut touhun olevan samalla tavalla "lajiutunutta".

Olen Ôarin kanssa samaa mieltä että enemmänkin näyttää irtiotolta. Mutta mielipiteeni pohjautuukin siihen että seuraan medioita joita on päivitetty viimeisen kymmenen vuoden sisään.

PM: I studied several styles Chinese quanfa but predominantly Hung Gar, Do Pai, Five Form Fist and Pai Lum.

I started out with Judo in the mid-1960′s under Dutchie Schell, took my first karate lesson in Kyokushin with Adrian Gomes in 1968, and started Chito Ryu in 1970 under Tsuruoka Sensei when my family moved from the small port city of Saint John to the metropolis of Toronto. There, I also boxed, competed in judo, was a collegiate wrestler. I left Chito Ryu to study Jujutsu and Kuntao/Silat before becoming part of the Canadian Karate Kung Fu Association in 1972 where I stayed until I met Richard Kim [Shorinji Ryu] in

October of 1977 and became part of the Zen Bei Butokukai.

During the five years, between 72 and 77, I opened my own dojo and did a lot of cross training with various instructors [Dave Huston, Ron Forrester, Professor Wally Jay, Bob Dalgliesh, and Wally Slocki]. In 1979 I relocated to the West Coast of Canada where I opened my second dojo, the Vancouver Karate Centre. It was during this time that resumed my jujutsu training [under Prof Wally Jay], and joined SMOKA [Shorin Ryu Matsumura Orthodox Karate Association], which was my first involvement with a karate/kobudo-based study group outside the Zen Bei Butokukai. I later joined JMAS [Japan Martial Arts Society] and also the Seishin Kai, under Kuniba Shiyogo [Motobu-ha Shito Ryu] who promoted me to 5th dan.

Having competed frequently [this is probably an understatement as I was literally a tournament junkie for many years] I met and cross-trained with lots of champions, authorities and masters, made many friends and learned much about various traditions. The Canadian/American open karate tournament scene was the virtual epicenter of opportunity during that era and attracted everyone who was anyone. Unfortunately, it was also the hotbed of political animosity.

As a professional instructor, I grew very weary of the politics and decided to leave Canada. I went to Japan in 1985 to study karate and kobudo and spent the summer in Okinawa training with many prominent instructors; e.g., Matayoshi Shinpo [Kin Gai Ryu], Yagi Meitoku [Goju], Miyazato Eiichi [Goju], and Nagamine Shoshin [Shorin], etc. By 1987 I had married a Japanese girl [Yuriko], settled in Fujisawa [Kanagawa Prefecture] and became a direct karate & kobudo [Yamane Ryu] student of Kinjo Hiroshi [Shuri-te]. Over the years, and through his recommendation, the Dai Nippon Butokukai bestowed upon me my Renshi 6th Dan [1988] and my Kyoshi 7th Dan [1994]. In 2005 Grandmaster Kinjo promoted me to Hanshi 8th Dan. In Japan I also studied Koryu [Muso Shinden Eishin Ryu] and ZNKR-style Iaido, under Master Izawa Takehiko, and reached sandan in 1991 [under the ZNKR: Zen Nippon Kendo Renmei] before switching over to Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu under Sugino Yoshio at the honbu dojo in Kawasaki.

The curriculum I brought together to understand kata was based upon my unique historical study, translation of the old texts, meeting and cross-training with many of the most senior authorities in China, Okinawa, and SE Asia, etc.

PM: Born in 1919, Kinjo Hiroshi is Okinawan and a 4th generation master of Uchinadi. He has an impeccable lineage of instructors, starting with his principal teachers, Hanashiro Chomo [1869-1945], Gusukuma Shimpan [1890-1954] Tokuda Ambun [1886-1945] and Oshiro Chojo [1887-1935], who is preceded by their teacher, Itosu Ankoh [-1915], and his master before him, Bushi Matsumura Sokon [1809-1896]. Known in Japan as “A walking encyclopedia of karate knowledge,” he’s literally known all of the big pioneers [Miyagi, Motobu, Funakoshi, Mabuni, etc.] written hundreds of articles, published a half dozen books, and regarded as the last link to the old-ways. A few years ago, as he was cleaning up his personal library to donate some 3000 books, magazines, articles and old photos to the Naha Central Library, he stumbled across the only known photo of Itosu Ankoh, the grandfather of modern karate. That one discovery lead to several other important and related finds, too. These days, at 90-years old, the grandmaster continues writing and training daily in his Zen-like garden. His quiet and humble character is an inspiration.

Lasse Candé kirjoitti: Koryukan Espoo ry:n junnujen erikoisryhmän demovideo on tullut tuubiin. Ihan hieno pläjäys! Hassut musat.
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