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SteFanJKD
elo 6, 2010, 12.34
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Yes, Tommy is a very dedicated jun fa JKd practitioner. I see a lot of my Instructor (ted wong) in him. As a matter of fact tommy has Ted as one of his main teachers along with jesse glover, and probably a few more.

As far as his JKD he has a very unique personal style due to his speed. It almost look like kempo Karate Speedpunching and I prefer to put a more balanced excecution betwwe speed and power than Tommy does myself. But this is what makes jun Fan JKD unique, even though we are guiden by the On Guars etc we all ahve a personal JKD "style". As I told you, I see a lot of Ted Wong in his structure, in his movement. As long as he is keeping with the On Guard and lead side tactics I would say that what he is representing Jun Fan JKD.

Tommy has added one technique that I don't use, that is his trademark, you see the tecnique at 0.30, 1.03, 1.12 and 1.19

/SteFan
SteFanJKD
kesä 15, 2010, 16.58
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Hi, I just got back from Spain. We had a historical seminar with 3 out of Ted wongs 4 instructors in Europe got together.

We decided to start an European organisation so that everybodyintrested in Ted Wong and his JKD can get firstclass information about JKD as well as get in touch with us.

This means that my Scandinavian Jun fan JKD Alliance now is part of a bigger organisation. Hopefuly this will show hat er are a serious and dedicated group of JKD practitioners.

/SteFan
SteFanJKD
kesä 3, 2010, 22.47
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Jeet Kune Do

I hope that you don't interpretate this the wrong way, but one thing my teacher, Ted Wong Told me is that that the bigest opponents" to JKD is the wing Chun people.

To me, everything, or at least most that I read about Wing Chun is that BRUCE LEE trained the art. Everyrtime Yip Man is mentioned, he is mentioned as BRUCE LEES instructor, most of the times Wing Chu is mentioned is it with the words that BRUCE LEE trained Wing Chun.

But what I am trying to say is that Wing Chun has nothing to do with JKD. JKD came from the restrictions of WC, not because he did not understand WC.

Theoratically we can continue this discússion on this forum, but I hope that one day I wil come to
Finland and do a seminar on Jun Fan/Ted Wong JKD and you will be there to make these comments to my face and I wil be able to show you in person what I am saying on this forum

SteFanm
SteFanJKD
kesä 3, 2010, 17.17
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Stefanin hokemat on-guardista, posturesta ja jalkatyöstä tuo puolestaan kovasti mieleeni Yi-ji-kim-yeung-man (tuttavallisemmin IRASin), joka on wingin perusta.
I would say that the only thing Bruce kept from the WC stance was the presure inwards to protect the groin. The Foot position is from Akdo Nadi fencing and so is most of the the rest. Again, when i trained WT the one thing that made me quit WT was the real heal. I wanted to have explosion from the Rear heal, like a sprinter in the starting blocks in my footwork. I dis not find this kind of footwork in WT, but maybe if I haf trained another WC style they use the same "boxing/fencing" kind of footwork like in JKD
Kolmas vaihtoehto olisi yksinkertaisesti lyödä uudelleen, mieluummin sillä toisellä kädellä.
Ted Wong always says that Trapping is a "one shot deal", I am sure that with years and years of WC training you can pull of compound Trapping, but in TW JKD we put the focus on Hitting rather than train compound Trapping
Pak-lap-fak on ehdottomasti kuitenkin hauska harjoitus.
Agree with you hear, and that is why Bruce put it in Enter the Dragon. The first combination is Practical JKD, One shot deal, the longer one is Theatrical JKD, it looks good for the audience. I think I have a clip called "Functional and disfunctional JKD that shows this. See if I can find it.

/SteFan
on liikkeiltään ihan liian isoja ja etäisyys väärä.
First of all, the distance in JKD and WC is not the same. Most of my latest clips are either during or after 2 years of Chemo and radiation therapphy and suffering from Hip Arthritis, My form is not what it used to be, I hope that you can look beyond my bad presentations of the principlas and techniques I am trying to teach
Mikäli torjunta ei ole riittävän iso, minulle riittää että lyön vasemmalla suoralla tekemättä juuri mitään oikeallani. Jos torjunta taas on liian iso, voin edelleen lyödä vasemmalla kädelläni, mutta nyt lyöntirata kulkee pak-saun kämmenselän puolelta. Kumpaakin lyöntiä voi tehostaa pienellä sivuttaissiirtymällä asianomaiseen suuntaan, joka kasvattaa puolustajan tekemää virhettä.
When I read this what comes to mind is "if your opponent does this I do nthat, and wehe does this... and when you thinking about all the !and" the opponent is kiling you"

This is why Ted teaches Simplified Trapping, he uses Footwork to pull off whatever position the opponents gives with for example a simple Pak sau, However the opponent reacts withs his rear hand, he simple Pak saus, the same techniqye for every response, simplicity, JKD Trapping
SteFanJKD
kesä 2, 2010, 18.08
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sorry, I forgot to insert the seminar clip from 2000

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SteFanJKD
kesä 2, 2010, 18.06
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Stefan, mitä trapping sun mielestä on? Kysyn, koska mun mielestä sellaista ei ole olemassakaan
I could't agree with you more. Trapping is all about hitting. Lets say thatyour hit is being blocket, you have 2 choices
1. Learn Trapping
2. Learn to hit faster.

Bruce decided to learn to hit faster and that why he left out Trapping. This is also my ambition, but I also know that it takes a lot of training to reach that point. Here is a cluip that demonstrates how important the hiiting part is in my trapping

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Here is a clip that shows some differences in JKd Trapping. jun fan JKD trapping is based upon On Guard, Footwork and posturesin relating force. you will see many diffrent variations, some lack On Guard, others Footwork, some lean and looste the posture in relating Force. I am not saying that my way issuperior to others, I am only showing the Jun fan/TWJKD method of Trapping

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Toivoisin myös, että selität vähän tarkemmin, mitä tarkoitat sanomalla "you don't need lop-sau if your shot is blocked over the centerline".
From 3.19 on this clip I demonstrate how Footwork can simplify your trapping, for example stay with the pak sau even if he crossblocks and I could roll into a lin lop say. but JKD is simplicity, and having only pak dau is more simple than having a pak sau and a Lop sau.

This old cklip från 2000 also shows the idea behind trapping, when i use and Why.

Unfortunately these clips are in swedish, hpefuly you paid attention at the swedish lesseon in school :)
/SteFan
SteFanJKD
touko 31, 2010, 19.43
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Stefan, mitä trapping sun mielestä on? Kysyn, koska mun mielestä sellaista ei ole olemassakaan. Toivoisin myös, että selität vähän tarkemmin, mitä tarkoitat sanomalla "you don't need lop-sau if your shot is blocked over the centerline". Tai mitä tarkoitat vastustajan kontrolloinnilla ilman käsikontaktia. Sillä tämä kaikki, plus on-guardia ja siitä mukautuvan jalkatyön korostaminen kuulostaa ihan wingiltä mun korvaani.
Very intresting comments. UnfortunatelyI don't have the time right now to answer them all

I'll be back 8-)

/SteFan
SteFanJKD
touko 27, 2010, 17.49
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Stefan, kuinka paljon Ted Wongin opetuksessa on Wing Chunia? Olen käsittänyt, että loppuaikoina Brucen opetuksissa Wing Chunin osuus oli jo aika vähäistä verrattuna Seattlen ja Oaklandin aikoihin.
According to me there is no Wing Chun in JKD. The JKD structure is very much diffrent to Wing Chun, so even if we in JKD do a Pak dar Combination the application is structurally so diffrent from Wing Chun that there is hardly any similarities

Bruce defenitely walked away from Wing Chun since he was moving toward Interception, controlling the opponent without having to touch hands. Sure, even in his schol in L.A., when he had already changed into JKD he was still taeching Trapping, but privately he was moving more and more away from Trapping. As for myself and my Ted Wong JKD we teach Trapping most for Historical reasons. The traps we still train are Pak sau, lop sau and disengagement adapted to many situations with Footwork. I would say that in TWJKD you only need a Pak sau if you have good footwork, you don't need the cross lop saus if you shot is blocker "over the centerline" etc. hard to explain, but hopefully I wil be invitet to one of your Potku.net seminars in the future to showw what I mean.
Meidän opetuksissa (Streetwise JKD) Wing Chunin osuus on erittäin pieni. Ja tässä vaiheessa täytyy vielä täsmentää, että me ei harjoitella Wing Chunia, Kalia tai mitään muutakaan erikseen lajinomaisesti. Me harjoittelemme kokonaisuuteen sopivia ja toimiviksi todettuja asioita, jotka on koottu monesta eri lähteestä. Meillä on siis vain yksi kokonaisuus ja ydinasiat, mitä pidämme tärkeinä ja toimivina.
The diffrence to TWJKD is that we have no part wing Chun or Kali. We have only one "toimivaksi todettu asia" and this tthing is having good Footwork when moving and adapting everything from the On Guard. An my experience is that if you do this with a wing Chun technique you no longer see any wing Chun in it, or if you do a kali technique there is no Kali there. All I see is Jun fan JKD, having found a technique Bruce already was doing
Tuo "jokaiselle oppilaalle kehittyy oma JKD" on hieman harhaanjohtava. Se saa luulemaan, että kaikki JKD oppilaat häröilisivät jotain omaa salin nurkissa ja toteuttaisivat "omaa JKD:tään". Näin ei kuitenkaan ole.
I am glad to hear this, but as you know there are unfortunately too many schools that market themselves as JKD and are dong exactly that, they choose whatever suits them and call it JKD without any whatsovever resemlnace to basic JKD principles.

More and more I am getting hopeful that I have finally found a Forum where students from both Ted Wong Linegae and dan Inosanto lineage actually can work towards a common goal to perpetuate and share the teachings of Bruce Lee without makin a "my JKD is better than yours" contest out of it.

And if we do get to a point where we actually will meet and train together I will let both Ted and Linda know that there is hope for the JKD family, we can actually share ideas, have comments on each others JKD without making "a fuss" out of it, and Finland and Finish people are the ones that can lead the way for the rest of the world ;)

/SteFan
SteFanJKD
touko 24, 2010, 17.41
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Niin noh, mistä on hukkunut ja mistä ei. Kaikkia ei voi laittaa samalle viivalle, tässäkään asiassa.[
For example, Funakoshi said that deep stances are for beginners and high stances are for advanced, he also said Long movements are for beginners and short movement are for advanced.

To me this means that all those basic postures are for beginners to learn stability, grounded power etc. When you have this you move on to Fighting Stances. The same with Blocks. In the beginneng the movemenst of the blocks are big, but the basic inward block becomes simply a short snap like a boxing parry for the advanced.

I believe that Karate has lost the advanced techniques, I mean why would a Karate practitioner otherwise train these deep stances and big movenets after 40 years of Karate. I believe it is becuase they are only imitating the basic motion of Shu, They haven't started researching what Funakoshin said what it meant to be a advanced student, or do they consider themselves beginners after 40 yeras.?

In JKD Traditional stances are part of Shu, the daily increse, minimizing it down to one On Guard Is
Ha, and if we chose jun fan On Guard our Ri is the same as Bruce Lee's
Millähän sen oikein mittaa, millä tasolla kukakin on? Lisäksi mistä tuo tieto, että Kano olisi ollut tuolla tasolla jo 18 vuotiaana?
To me it says that today it seams that it takes longer to get to Ri than before. If one establises a new personal style today, like Bruce Lee said the comments are often
-you are too young to start a own style,
- You don't have enough knowledge to create a style of your own.
No one said this to the students who left Funakoshi and created their own styles, or to Kano when he createde Judo. This is all I am saying with this statement
Olen asiasta eri mieltä, ellet tarkoita, että suurin osa klassisia tyylejä kokeilleista jää tuolle tasolle.
And I would ask you if you consider a 5 degree black belt a beginner since he is traing deep stances and big movements in blocks for his 6th grade, is he still a "kokeilija" becuase he is doing what Funakoshi described as beginner techniques and not advaced techniques. By the way, in Kung Fu they says "from big movements to small movementm no movement is best", Bruce Lee said that the best way is "the art of fighting without fighting", no movemnets required to beat an opponent ;)
Ei siis Bruce Leen JKD:ksi kun luulin, että se oli tässä vähän niinku taka-ajatuksena?
To me JKD is JKD, if bruce used JKD On Guard, JKD strategy, JKD techniques i call it Jun fan JKD, Ted Wong chose the same techniques for his truth, so I call his JKD Ted Wong JKD, After all these years of research diffrent martial arts I have come to the conclusion that Jun Fan/Ted Wong On Guard works for me the best, the same with all the other tactics and theories, thereofore I wish that my stundets one day call my Jun fan/Ted Wong JKD for Jun fan/Ted Wong/SteFan JKD if they choose the same truth as I do.
No voit ajatella samoin yleensäkin grapplingista tai vaikka puukoista ja FMA:sta tai träppingistä ja Wing Chunista...
Niin, asiassa on aina monta puolta
Yes, and if you complement your FMA or Wing Chun with techniques from outside this style and not simply Mix FMA with Wing Chun with some Muay Thai, you are following Bruce Lee's way to the styleless style of FMA or Wing Chun. As Bruce Lee himself said you draw "the essence" of those styles, not the style and its techniques itself
Ilmaisin itseäni vähän huonosti. En väittänytkään etteikö klassisissa lajeissa voisi kehittyä samalla tavalla. Tarkoitin lähinnä sitä JKD:n ajattelutapaa, joka painottaa nimenomaan pyrkimään siihen omaan totuuteen. Eikö se ole loppujen lopuksi enemmän yksilöstä kiinni kuin lajista?
This is what I have been trying to say all these years on diffrent Forums, any style can become styleless personal and total in alla Fighting Ranges, you just have to have an open mind and complement your Judo with punching, kicking and weapons if you are truly following Bruce Lee'ssuggestion. What I stress is that simply becuase you make your Judo more complete by following Bruce Lee's advice it doesn't make JUDo into JKD, it is stil basically JUDO unless you use Jun fan On Guard, Jun fan kicking etc.
Tuli tuossa mieleen, että mulla on ehkä paha tapa ajatella JKD:tä liian mystisenä asiana. Harmi kun ei ainakaan vielä pääse itse kokeilemaan.
Well at least I would say that you are starting to understand the Jun fan JKD way of thinking, there is nothing mystique about Jun fan JKD, Jun fan JKD is a very simple style, but as my Sifu always says "Simple does not mean easy"

I hope to one day be in Finalnd teching JKD, butif you come to Swden, look me up and I will teach you some Jun fan JKD ;)
SteFanJKD
touko 21, 2010, 18.26
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Jos löydät jostain koko jakson se kannattaa katsoa. Tässä pätkät muistutukseks.
Does it surprise you that I have a VHS version of this episode, as well as the other episodes Bruce played a role . VHs means we are talking early 90ies, before evn DVD was popular.

I love this episode. And when talking to Bruce Lee students they have told me that this is exactly how it was to train with JKD, he is really playing himself in Longstreet.

As far as Goundfighting, this is exactly how he saw Grappling, He was not intrested in using Classical answers on the Ground, sure he reserached them, but he never taught them as JKD. Larry Hartsells always talked about the 32 Grappling moves of JKD, this is more 32 notes on Grappling notes from tao of JKD to me. We can see scetches on which Grappling moves Bruce studied, but the important thing to me is what did he teach his students as JKD Groundfighting and WHY.

I also study BJJ, but I don't teach it, I don't Train it to be good at it, I train it to understand it and be able to use what Bruce Lee wrote what he thought we should do on the ground in JKD.
Miten tärkeänä Stefan ja muut JKD:n harrastajat/opettajat pidätte sitä, että kamppailijalla on runsaasti aiempaa kokemusta kamppailu- ja ip-lajeista ennen kuin JKD:tä aloitetaan?
this can of course bee a hindrance in any style, you are coloured by your previous experience. Bruce lee said that if you have a pair og glasses with green lenses, everything we look at will have a green shimmer. This is the openmindeness he talked about in JKD. When you study JKD, yuou should not look at JKD or any other styles with coloured lenses, you should totally openminded to anything and everything to find your own truth, even be opemminded and question anything that is true according to JKD principles.

If you are able to "take of you green Lenses" and any other lenses you have had before entering JKD, or any style, you of course can use your prior experience to your advantage.
No eikös jkd ole ihan niinku mikä tahansa laji, noin niinkuin lajitreenin kannalta. Eli siellä jkd-koulussa treenataan ja opetetaan teknisiä juttuja niinku muissakin lajeissa. Niistä voi sitten koota itelleen lempirepertuaaria, kuten muuallakin..?
To me it definitely is. The difference is that I truly belive that Bruce Lee was following what Classical Martial arts is all about, and that is ShuHaRI(Sao Po Lai in Chinese) Are you guys familiar with this? Shu is the first stage in martial art, You copy the teacher, Ha is when you start to break away from yiour teacher, you start to question him, finding what works for you, Ri is when you have found your own truth. Unfortunately most Classical stles today remains in Shu for their entire carreer. They think that people like Funaksohi, kano, Ueshiba and all the great old masters are the only ones who can reach Ri. Kano even reached Ri when he was 18 years old, what Bruce Lee is saying is that so can we

What Bruce Lee described as "No Form" and "No style" to me is not being "without style", training any style, mixing any styles. Bruce Lee desscribed No style in Enter the Dragonaas "i do not hit, it hits all by itself". We all know that repetition, repetition and more repetition is typical any classical system, and this is the road to spontaneous action.

The diffrence with JKD is that bruce believed that 1 technique is easier to "put into the spine", to achieve spontaneous action than 5. This is why we don't have 15 Katas, 15 Stances, 10 Kicks, 20 punches, 100 throws in JKD. This is why Bruce Lee said daily decrease, simplicity. He believd hat the fewer stiyes you trained, the fewer techniques you trained, the faster yoy techniques will "hit all by itself"

This is why I only teach and train JKD, I don't crosstrain and tecah other styles in my school, I believe that Jun fan JKD is the best and fastet way for me to get to "No Style"

I would say that theonly thing that that is diffrent from JKD to most classical style is
1. there is not the same hierarchi thinking, that you can't question the style, that you have to copy you teacher
2.The taecher is not forcing you, trying to convince you to stay in his style. The teacher in JKD welcomes his students to look outside his chosen style
3. JKD has no costumes, we treat training as a play but a serious play, the athmosphere is like any training gym, the respect to the gym, tecaher and training partnes is within us, it is not forced into bowing, even going to the toilet.

When I have studied Traditional styles, Principles like Shuharim Kobi Ichi, Iken Hisatsu I really believ that JKD is what Karate and traditional martial arts is all about, it just got lost over the ages, and Bruce Lee's mission was to find the true spirit of martial arts again.

I believe he found it in Jun fan JKD and that is why I have chose to train Jun fan JKD and and hopefull one day my students will call my Jun fan JKD as Stefan Nikander JKD as we call our teachers jun fan JKD as ted Wong JKD.

SteFan
SteFanJKD
touko 19, 2010, 11.12
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Haluaisin vielä selventää, että se JKD mitä esim. JKDFI:ssä opetetaan on Inosanton ja Hartsellin pohjilta peräisin. Se siis EI ole kalia, MT:tä taikka wingiä vaan JKD:ta noilta pohjilta. Nuo muut lajit on sitten omissa treeneissä. Tuota monilajitreeniä (kun lajit on sopivasti valittu) testanneena voin todeta että meikälle se toimii. Ehkä se sitten ei ole kaikkien juttu.
It is like Bruce Lee said "JKD is not for everyone". When you say that it works for you I am Glad for you, you have done what Bruce Lee wanted us to do, find out what works for us, our truth.

But the question I am asking is if it is enough for something to be based upon the Concept of JKD to make it JKD. Is not training 5 diffrent Classical style, including Jun fan Gung Fu in those styles, Tarining in many styles as you said, still a Mix of Classical Styles and not a non-classical system.

I have said it before. How Jun fan JKD intepretates it is that this is the daily Increase, your serach for your truth, If You find it in Jun fan Gung Fu, or what would say Bruce Lee's style is, jun fan JKD, you are doing JKD. If you find it in Muay Thai you train Muayt Thai. If you feel that you need to mix certain styles, and teach it at your school ibelive one should
1. Call the styles what they are
2. come up with a own name for ones truth.

Ibelieve it is misguiding to use the Term JEET KUNE DO Concepts, with JKD being the dominant name in the title for this mix that Jun fan Gung Fu really is such a small part.

As I also have said befor. I respect you choice, but still believe that I have the right to express my own point of view on this since I disagree with you, but I diagree respectfully :D
että Bruce Lee olisi esimerkiksi MT:stä napannut työkaluja jos olisi päässyt tutustumaan aiheeseen paremmin kuin pelkkien kirjojen pohjalta. .
I on the other hand beleieve that Bruce Lee never took tools/techniques from other styles, he took principles behind these styles. Lets say he was looking at his Hook Kick. As we know he studied the principles of many diffrent styles principles behind their Hok kick. My question is, What have changed in the Principles behind Muay Thai technique sinve 1970, sure, the training methods have become better, the competition makes thai Boxers better Thaiboxers, but has anything changed in the principle behind a Muay Thai Kick Changed, has sthe Muay Thai kick becone diffrent since Bruce Lee studied Muay Thai in the seventees. I belive that the principle is pretty much the same, and therefore his hook Kick would still use the water principle he took from Muay Thai into his kick, I don't believe he would be adding flying knees just beacuse this Dutch Guy (I ddon't remenre his name) was so succesful with it in K1. I beelive that he definitely would research principles in new styles to better his hook Kick from On Guard. Again , this is my oppinion and I hiope it gives a better overall picture about JKD
Ja uskon myös, että grappligia olisi ollut enemmän. Ja mielestäni nämä tod.näk. olisivat näkyneet myös valmius taikka on guard asennossa


This is a intresting subject. Due to the UFC and popularity of MMA Grappling has become a big debate in the martial arts world. What people say is that JKD would be MMA if Bruce Lee was alive today.

My point of view is no matter how effective MMA is in tourmanents, it is still effective withing a setting of rules. Rules that does not excist on the Street. Bruce Lee trained with the big Grappling names in his days. He liked it, studied it. But from all the hundreds og Grappling moves he studied, he chose only a few practical throws, a few practical locks and holds. He chose the ones that he felt kept his On Guard, could be done safely on the street without putting himself in a worse position.

And to him a worse position was being on the Ground. What Bruce lee waaafter was getting away from the ground, not staiyng down working to end the fight on the Ground, there were simply too many risks being on the ground in a street fight. He would rather look down on the opponent than look up at him ;)
Sure, he did study Grappling, just as he studied, Muay Thai, savate etc, but he did not train these styles, he did not add these styles to his JKD arsenal.

When the Gracie Boom came, I of course studied it,it was really fun and I had to constantly remind myself that I am training it to undertand goundfighting, to better my JKD groundwork, not to become a grappler.

On other Forums I have posted som clips about JKd Groundfighting vs. the kind of Grappling for example Larry Hartsell teaches and MMA people study.

Lets see where this leads us, lets just keep on open mind what is being said, let us agree to disagree and have construtive discusion for a beter and total undersdtanding about JKD

STeFan
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Kolmas kerta toden sanoo
eikös tämä ted wongin jkd ole sitä jun fan gung fua mitä inosantokin opettaa? Eli Periaatteessa samaa asiaa? Mutta eri opettajat kyseessä? Nyanssi eroja ilmeisesti lähinnä?
I would say that Jun fan Gung Fu is not JKD, why did he otherwise have too certificates. If you look at pictures from the Enter the Dragon Shooting, Game of death shooting you will see hat his On Guard is diferent from the pictures in the Bruce Lee Fighting Method. I would say that the jun fan Gung Fu dan teaches as JKD is not the JKD Bruce taught to ted after dan had open his own scool at his backyard when Bruce Lee close his schools and trained only privatestudents.
Mitä väärää näet JKD Finlandin tavassa harjoitella, että harjoitellaan 5 lajia ja siitä mitä opitaan, kootaan itselle sopiva paketti?[/
I don't see anything wrong with this, to me it is simply more MMA thinking than JKD thinking. Like Bruce Lee said, JKD is not Mixing art. Of copurse MMA is a good package, but the important question is if that makes it JKD

mutta mikä on se ydinajatus, joka erottaa sinun JKD:n esimerkiksi Conceptin JKD:stä tai JKD Finlandista?
It is that I train everything from On Guard, the On Guard guides my JKD, how I apply my kicks, punches, takedowns. I also believe that jun fan is guided more from the principles and Concepts of JKD, what Bruce Lee said and Concepts is guided from any fighting concepts and what aanybody says and still say that it is what Bruce Lee said
Huvittavinta koko tässä keskustelussa on se että, mikäli minä olen ymmärtänyt lukemaani oikein (ja voi olla että olenkin...), Bruce halusi välttää moista väittelyä ("it's just a name...").


To me there is nothing funny about this, the funny thing according to me is that people think that oranges are apples. An orange is an orange even if you like apples, it is just the correct name for the fruit. To me JKD is JKD, Kali is kali, Muay Thai is Muay Thai. It is as simple as that, If I like JKD I don't call it Kali. You would be a luaghing stock if you went to a shop to buy oranges and argued when they cahrged you for apples and started to say that according to you that red thing is an orange. How come it be allright to call JKD kali, Muay Thai or wahtever, that is the funny thing according to me.

Koodi: Valitse kaikki

Edelleenkään ei selviä, että onko Tedin tai vaikka Stefainin JKD jotain jatkokehitettyä vai jotakin tiettyä aikakautta Brucen treenaamisesta? Ja jos on tiettyä aikakautta niin onko se silloin "outdated"? Koska Stefan olet asiaa tutkinut paljon niin voit toki valaista meitä.
The shotortest line between two point is a straight line, all of Bruce lee's principles such as that it is the simple tools, the basics that works best in a fight, attack is the best defence, you'd better protect your groin in a streetfight are principles that we in Jun fan JKD continue to refine. To us change is not the same as for Concepts. To us change is refinemnet. If I start with On Guard, I don't completely choose a new Fighting stance to say that i have changed Fighting stance. The change I see in ted Wongs JKd is that year after yera his interception becomes better, yeaer after year his footwork is changing for the better etc.we don't "change with change because that is a changeless change, If you change to MMA because it is the latest in thing you are not changing according to JKD, you don't change anything in te JKdOn Guard for the better, you are simply choosing something else than JKD as your fighting Stance. How can a lead Led Sidekick to the Knee be outdatet. How about a fingerjab to the eyes. it was very practical in the 60ies, I would say that it is stil effective today. Imagine tarining it for over35 years like Ted wong, would you lik to rob him ;)

Did I miss anything. I hope you got some new insight into Jun fan JKD, not better than Concepts approach, but definitely the other side of the coin. If there is anything else, please don't be afraid to ask. remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers

/Stefan
SteFanJKD
touko 17, 2010, 11.28
Keskustelualue: Wu Guan
Aihe: Jeet Kune Do
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Jeet Kune Do

Anteeksi minun suomen kilei, mutta nyt minä kyllä sanon VOI V_ _ _U!!!!!!!!!!!

I have now 2 times wrote an detailed answer to you all, accuidently touched the wrong button and deleted it all. I am late for my morning workout nad I hope that excuse me for not answering your questions at this momnet. I just have to go down to the basemnt and train of some of the frustration I feel after sitting for so long writing and time after time screwing it up

Ps. I love you question. Thetyy are straightforward and concrete, this Forum is showing to be very openminded. I hope that my ansers will contruibute to the understanding of JKd i Finalnd

/steFan
SteFanJKD
touko 15, 2010, 23.37
Keskustelualue: Wu Guan
Aihe: Jeet Kune Do
Vastaukset: 205
Luettu: 31099

Jeet Kune Do

ankdammen? "Hemma" i Hangö har vi Park Dammen och sedan dammen i hagapark, men kallades den "ankkdammen" Om det är någon referens till detta så är det verkligen ett sammanträffande av dess like.

Hur som helst. Skicka mig först ett meddelnade till stefan@odymindvision så ska jag skicka dig mitt privata email. Som du förstår är mitt privata email inget jag lägger upp på ett Forum

/SteFan
SteFanJKD
touko 15, 2010, 18.04
Keskustelualue: Wu Guan
Aihe: Jeet Kune Do
Vastaukset: 205
Luettu: 31099

Jeet Kune Do

Hej MikaelF, har jag kommit i kontakt med en Finlands-svensk som mig själv eller någon flerspråkig som jag också tycker att jag är.

jag liksom inte hittar någon knapp på min dator där det står "lainaa", ska kanske söka lite bättre

/SteFan (gammal Hangöbo, gick barnskötarutbildning i Helsingfors och bodde på Topeliusgatan i 3 år innan jag fyttade till stockholm)

/SteFan